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June 22, 2004

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For an intersting discussion and post on the over-demanding objection, see C.T. Dreyers webblog, The Tribunal of Experience.

Thanks for the post, Josh.

Pace Hooker, I don't see that the "'imperfect duties view' would give you the choice to help either person' (quoting from Josh's post). The choice would concern WHETHER to aid. IF one chooses to aid, then she must aid person 1 - or so says the imperfect duties view (as I understand it).

Am I wrong?

It seems that your version of the "imperfect duties view" will be overly demanding, for, on your view, there is a perfect duty to help a person in immediate need of critical aid and there are, at any given time, hundreds (perhaps, thousands or millions) of people who, as the result of the latest disaster, are in immediate need of critical aid that we could provide by wiring our money to one of the charities involved.

Doug,

I don't see how the "imperfect duty view" I suggest entails any such perfect duty (to rescue) - though it's of course compatible with such a duty, and though Josh appears interested in combining the two.

Ryan

On Ryan's comment, there's certainly that interpretation of imperfect duties - it's a common one, indeed. Perhaps part of the problem with discussing imperfect duties, in fact, is that there are different interpretations.

Indeed, this seems to be part of why I'd disagree with Doug. Having a perfect duty does not mean (as I understand it) that it is a standing order that always places a demand on the agent. Rather, as I understand it, it's an order that, in contrast to imperfect duties, offers no leeway in how, when, in what circumstances (and, if we follow Ryan, whether) one will satisfy it, such as the leeway we have in the imperfect duty to give to charity. But this lack of latitude-in-fulfillment does not mean that it always makes a demand on me; instead, it means that *when it applies to me, which might be limited to very specific circumstances*, I have no latitude. We might (in the spirit of Hooker's arguments from intuitive plausibility) limit perfect duties' demandingness based on certain obvious facts about our inability to reach out to *everyone* in need, and so we'd limit it to those nearby (or some such). Or we might limit it to just those cases that get a contradiction-in-conception on Kant's universalizability test. In any case, the point is that it can be limited, and so I don't see a reason to think that in principle it is subject to any unique sort of overdemandingness objection.

Joshua and I agree that no plausible moral theory can, in calculator fashion, spit out judgements about when and how much we are required to do for others. In other words, both of us accept that there is an ineliminable role for judgement in moral decision-making.

And I accept from him that Kantianism can be configured so as to generate a perfect duty to help those in immediate need of critical aid. But now what is Kantianism to say about a case where there are two people each in immediate need of critical aid but the agent is physically able to rescue no more than one of them? Suppose one of these people in need of rescue stands to lose an arm if not rescued. Suppose the other will die if not rescued. Suppose neither of these people related, or in any other special way connected, to the agent. Can Kantianism explain why the agent should save the one whose life is at stake rather than the one whose arm is at stake? Such situations seem to me to illustrate that we need more than the distinction between perfect and imperfect duties of beneficence.

And with respect to duties of beneficence, I think we need some help about how much self-sacrifice is required. The role of judgement won’t be eliminable here. But I think we need more guidance than Kantianism gives us.

To be sure, Kantianism is a resourceful tradition. I accept that it might be able to come out with an adequate account of beneficence. But I don’t know of an adequate Kantian account of this.

Ryan: I apologize; I should have made clear that my comment was directed at Josh's post.

Josh: You suggest, "We might (in the spirit of Hooker's arguments from intuitive plausibility) limit perfect duties' demandingness based on certain obvious facts about our inability to reach out to *everyone* in need, and so we'd limit it to those nearby (or some such)." It's true that we're not able to reach out to everyone in need, but that's because there are just too many, *not* because we can only help those nearby. In fact, as Unger and Singer rightly point out, we are probably in a better position to help those far away in that those far away are in greater need and our money can do more good in the Third World. And it's easy to help. When a disaster occurs and emergency food, water, and medicine are needed, many charities are able to move money and resources to where it's needed in a matter of days if not hours. To help them provide more food, water, and medicine, you need only wire the money to the appropriate charities. So I don't think that you can limit our perfect duties' demandingness by restricting our "perfect duty to help a person in immediate need of critical aid" to those nearby. Nevertheless, you suggest that there might be another way: "limit it to just those cases that get a contradiction-in-conception on Kant's universalizability test." Could you explain how this would suitably limit our perfect duties so that they're not too demanding. I believe the burden is on you to show that your view is not too demanding.

My comment replying to Brad and Doug was running long enough that I've just started a new post on the topic, on June 29, if you're interested.

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